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Re: Politics

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Unfortunately, the highest population of people with far left ideology reside in the regions with the most electoral seats available.
Same in the USA, same in Europe: big cities = left; rural communities = right. Plus most of (recent) immigrants vote for the left.
It will be more and more difficult for conservative parties to win elections in the future.
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AbbyJr wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:46 pm To be honest, I think the biggest issue is that people are becoming less willing to budge on social politics both among the left and the right. Unfortunately, the highest population of people with far left ideology reside in the regions with the most electoral seats available. For the Conservatives to win a majority, they need to convince over half of Ontario to vote for them, which is hard to do given the strong left wing bias there, especially in the large cities. It’s really frustrating. :x :x
I think what's happening now is that , even though Trump hates liberals, he has inadvertently given them a huge lifeline with all his tariff threats and continual 51st state talk. So their new game plan is to have Trump/USA as the enemy instead of the Conservatives and work on our emotions and get us all riled up, and making us forget all the damage they've done in the last 10 years.

I think this guy might be onto something, as to why Carney went to Europe. https://youtu.be/xE0VlAd4rsc?si=0VigNQVBYvuZUzeW
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Only on the job for a cupla days and Carney gets rattled, annoyed, and condescending with reporters. Rookie mistakes or is he already self-destructing. Can't wait for the election campaign and debates with Poilievre.

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Forrest Gump wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:59 pmI think this guy might be onto something, as to why Carney went to Europe. https://youtu.be/xE0VlAd4rsc?si=0VigNQVBYvuZUzeW
Good theory. We're going to have to be aligned with the EU on climate policy if we want to make lucrative trade deals with them. That's the unfortunate reality since we can no longer rely on the US as our main trading partner. We need to diversify our trade or become isolated and irrelevant. Trump is counting on the latter so he can convince us that annexation is a good idea. Now that Trump is also targeting Europe with tariffs, I hope no one still thinks this is about fentanyl.
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Abby_wx wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 10:47 am Good theory. We're going to have to be aligned with the EU on climate policy if we want to make lucrative trade deals with them. That's the unfortunate reality since we can no longer rely on the US as our main trading partner. We need to diversify our trade or become isolated and irrelevant. Trump is counting on the latter so he can convince us that annexation is a good idea. Now that Trump is also targeting Europe with tariffs, I hope no one still thinks this is about fentanyl.
Carney never intended to remove the carbon tax, he is just trying to rename it, but it's always going to be there if we re-elect a Liberal government.
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stuffradio wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:31 am Carney never intended to remove the carbon tax, he is just trying to rename it, but it's always going to be there if we re-elect a Liberal government.
If you pay attention to his wording, he only intends to remove the "consumer" carbon tax. The industrial carbon tax would remain in place (and be increased) under Carney. It's unclear how this will all shake out in terms of effect on the average Canadian's pocketbook. If the net effect is going to be the same cost for us, then I'd agree that he's basically renaming it.

Pierre Poilievre recently clarified his own stance, saying that he will be removing all carbon taxes, including the industrial carbon tax.
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stuffradio wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 1:39 pm Yesterday John Rustad introduced legislation to stop the time change twice a year. Also today Mark Carney said he wanted to remove the consumer Carbon Tax by end of today, but he will see if he can do that.
Long overdue, I really hope this can get bipartisan support.
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Abby_wx wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:48 am If you pay attention to his wording, he only intends to remove the "consumer" carbon tax. The industrial carbon tax would remain in place (and be increased) under Carney. It's unclear how this will all shake out in terms of effect on the average Canadian's pocketbook. If the net effect is going to be the same cost for us, then I'd agree that he's basically renaming it.

Pierre Poilievre recently clarified his own stance, saying that he will be removing all carbon taxes, including the industrial carbon tax.
This is one of the reasons I want the Conservatives to win a majority. Unfortunately, many Liberals will likely fall for Carneys tax trick.
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If we're going to be "forced" to have a carbon tax, the government should wait until Canadians as a whole are in a better position financially. Right now so many are living paycheque to paycheque. The government should somehow incentivize people getting out of debt and then when we're in a better position, they should say "we need to help fight against climate change" and implement it at that point.
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stuffradio wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:49 pm If we're going to be "forced" to have a carbon tax, the government should wait until Canadians as a whole are in a better position financially. Right now so many are living paycheque to paycheque. The government should somehow incentivize people getting out of debt and then when we're in a better position, they should say "we need to help fight against climate change" and implement it at that point.
We should never have any carbon tax period. It’s just a money grab.
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Canada Goose wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:04 pm Same in the USA, same in Europe: big cities = left; rural communities = right. Plus most of (recent) immigrants vote for the left.
It will be more and more difficult for conservative parties to win elections in the future.
That's actually changing. Surrey for example has moved more rightward than any other place in the province over the past 10 years. There's a reason why Trudeau suddenly decided to scale back immigration last year. Well, one of several reasons anyway.
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Canada Goose wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:04 pm Same in the USA, same in Europe: big cities = left; rural communities = right. Plus most of (recent) immigrants vote for the left.
It will be more and more difficult for conservative parties to win elections in the future.
Not good. We need balance. People just won’t budge on social politics.
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Glacier wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:57 pm That's actually changing. Surrey for example has moved more rightward than any other place in the province over the past 10 years. There's a reason why Trudeau suddenly decided to scale back immigration last year. Well, one of several reasons anyway.
Indo-Canadians are well known for being conservative leaning.
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Abby_wx wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:20 pm Indo-Canadians are well known for being conservative leaning.
That's strange, I thought many of them were ndpers and liberals.
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Forrest Gump wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:30 pm That's strange, I thought many of them were ndpers and liberals.
I do agree that they historically voted Liberal, but they also lean toward traditional family values, so it's not a surprise to see a rightward shift in places like Surrey.

It's also worth nothing that the Liberal party was traditionally centrist. It's mainly been since Trudeau took office that they've moved quite far to the left.
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