September 2023 Forecasts and Discussions

[Weather101]

I just get tired of hearing the same song and dance year after year Kells we just had a couple of refreshing showering days and remember growing up for me drought, wildfires. campfire bans was unheard of.

Unfortunately, you will continue to hear it, and it will get worse each year due to the climate being destroyed.

Back then, we didn't have these issues, Hell, even when I was a kid, we didn't. Unfortunately, now this is the new normal, and we have to get used to it as hard as that may be.

[Glacier]

Fair enough but that’s a far cry from defaulting to government conspiracy for every single thing. Sometimes the boring answer is the true one. In this case, the climate has been altered and things are unfolding about as predicted.

The showery days were not even close to enough to end the drought. It’ll take weeks.

There's actually no correlation between drought and climate change, and maybe slightly negative (more climate change means slightly less drought). There is weak correlation between climate change and flooding since we are getting slightly wetter over time. This is according the IPCC and ECCC.

The only good correlations are higher temperatures and climate change.

Forest fires is a very complex one. We are actually getting less fires over time in Canada and even BC if we go back 100+ years, but fire suppression from the 1950s until now meant we artificially reduced fire for 70 years. The question is, does climate change make the fires more intense now? This is possibly true, but it's really hard to quantify or even prove because higher temperatures do increase activity, but more humidity decreases activity. We might be one of the few areas where fire will increase with climate change though because the dry Mediterranean climate of Washington is moving north, so drier summers for south and central BC.

[Slimshadyinsardis]

Fair enough but that’s a far cry from defaulting to government conspiracy for every single thing. Sometimes the boring answer is the true one. In this case, the climate has been altered and things are unfolding about as predicted.

The showery days were not even close to enough to end the drought. It’ll take weeks.

My point is Kells growing up as a kid in the 60’s and 70’s no one really cared about climate change or it wasn’t mentioned much it wasn’t until after the 70’s the alarm bells were ringing now l’am afraid it maybe too late.

[Slimshadyinsardis]

Unfortunately, you will continue to hear it, and it will get worse each year due to the climate being destroyed.

Back then, we didn't have these issues, Hell, even when I was a kid, we didn't. Unfortunately, now this is the new normal, and we have to get used to it as hard as that may be.

As a younger dude Weedmiester you musk be concerned about the future on a global perspective? same goes for the rest of the youngsters on the forum.
Does anyone feel governments have let you down or am’l being too critical?

[Weather101]

Insane....

[Weather101]

As a younger dude Weedmiester you musk be concerned about the future on a global perspective? same goes for the rest of the youngsters on the forum.
Does anyone feel governments have let you down or am’l being too critical?

I'm concerned but unfortunately it's too far gone in my opinion for me to worry about it, I do my part but that's all I can do. We all have to adapt and hope our kids ( the next future generation) will have a sustainable planet to live on, but that looks super, super bleak... I even have friends who are deciding not to have kids for these reasons. They find it unfair to do to them.

That being said, the climate can heal to a certain extent the proof is with the ozone layer. I just don't see it happening. We are way too divided in this world.

But the 60s 70s 80s really screwed us... Nobody cared to listen back then. People still don't care to listen so that puts us in a place of no mans land.

There's only one earth but we don't treat it like that

[Weather101]

Unbelievable

[Mattman]

As a younger dude Weedmiester you musk be concerned about the future on a global perspective? same goes for the rest of the youngsters on the forum.
Does anyone feel governments have let you down or am’l being too critical?

Mr Sardins, I’ve always appreciated your levity. I think you’ve called me Doormat and Mattressmatt a few times.. The ribbing in banter, even on the receiving end, is good.

I was a kid when “global warming” became the rage, and then it morphed into “climate change.” I came of age in that time. Having three young little rug rats this isn’t even on my radar of things I’m concerned about for them. I don’t think government has let me down compared to my fear we’ve let government get too big—including renting out our critical thinking to an endless Legion of “experts.” I fear people acting out of fear and acquiescing more power to government. Whatever change in climate there is (and I’ve never seen a satisfactory explanation re: teasing out natural from anthropogenic change), I don’t doubt our ability to adapt as we have always done. I fear government standing in the way of that adaptation—making boneheaded decisions out of fear and their growing ability to control with policies that have zero cost-benefit to them. That we’re to just accept that the latest tax or punitive, crippling measure will make the weather gooder. I fear government laws, edits, mandates—whatever you want to call it—that will create artificial shortages in everything from energy, to car parts, to food production, and travel restrictions to assuage unwarranted fears. In short, us becoming Venezuela north. I fear in the not too distant future it'll be too expensive or government will prevent trips to Kelowna so my rug rats can see their grandparents.

Therefore, I fear the climate of fear that is growing in our culture. The fear that someone somewhere will be offended at a joke, or at a different opinion--especially in an age of now mandated speech of what is and isn't acceptable. The best antidote is humour. I’m slowly learning to not give a flying fig at those that get offended. And when it comes to government grabbing more power, boy, that deserves relentless mockery. Criticize away!

[John]

There's actually no correlation between drought and climate change, and maybe slightly negative (more climate change means slightly less drought). There is weak correlation between climate change and flooding since we are getting slightly wetter over time. This is according the IPCC and ECCC.

The only good correlations are higher temperatures and climate change.

Forest fires is a very complex one. We are actually getting less fires over time in Canada and even BC if we go back 100+ years, but fire suppression from the 1950s until now meant we artificially reduced fire for 70 years. The question is, does climate change make the fires more intense now? This is possibly true, but it's really hard to quantify or even prove because higher temperatures do increase activity, but more humidity decreases activity. We might be one of the few areas where fire will increase with climate change though because the dry Mediterranean climate of Washington is moving north, so drier summers for south and central BC.

Thanks for proper analysis

[John]

Unfortunately, you will continue to hear it, and it will get worse each year due to the climate being destroyed.

Back then, we didn't have these issues, Hell, even when I was a kid, we didn't. Unfortunately, now this is the new normal, and we have to get used to it as hard as that may be.

Of course climate change is real but to say droughts floods and fires didn’t happen in the past is just ludicrous in my opinion

[John]

Mr Sardins, I’ve always appreciated your levity. I think you’ve called me Doormat and Mattressmatt a few times.. The ribbing in banter, even on the receiving end, is good.

I was a kid when “global warming” became the rage, and then it morphed into “climate change.” I came of age in that time. Having three young little rug rats this isn’t even on my radar of things I’m concerned about for them. I don’t think government has let me down compared to my fear we’ve let government get too big—including renting out our critical thinking to an endless Legion of “experts.” I fear people acting out of fear and acquiescing more power to government. Whatever change in climate there is (and I’ve never seen a satisfactory explanation re: teasing out natural from anthropogenic change), I don’t doubt our ability to adapt as we have always done. I fear government standing in the way of that adaptation—making boneheaded decisions out of fear and their growing ability to control with policies that have zero cost-benefit to them. That we’re to just accept that the latest tax or punitive, crippling measure will make the weather gooder. I fear government laws, edits, mandates—whatever you want to call it—that will create artificial shortages in everything from energy, to car parts, to food production, and travel restrictions to assuage unwarranted fears. In short, us becoming Venezuela north. I fear in the not too distant future it'll be too expensive or government will prevent trips to Kelowna so my rug rats can see their grandparents.

Therefore, I fear the climate of fear that is growing in our culture. The fear that someone somewhere will be offended at a joke, or at a different opinion--especially in an age of now mandated speech of what is and isn't acceptable. The best antidote is humour. I’m slowly learning to not give a flying fig at those that get offended. And when it comes to government grabbing more power, boy, that deserves relentless mockery. Criticize away!

AMEN

[Slimshadyinsardis]

Mr Sardins, I’ve always appreciated your levity. I think you’ve called me Doormat and Mattressmatt a few times.. The ribbing in banter, even on the receiving end, is good.

I was a kid when “global warming” became the rage, and then it morphed into “climate change.” I came of age in that time. Having three young little rug rats this isn’t even on my radar of things I’m concerned about for them. I don’t think government has let me down compared to my fear we’ve let government get too big—including renting out our critical thinking to an endless Legion of “experts.” I fear people acting out of fear and acquiescing more power to government. Whatever change in climate there is (and I’ve never seen a satisfactory explanation re: teasing out natural from anthropogenic change), I don’t doubt our ability to adapt as we have always done. I fear government standing in the way of that adaptation—making boneheaded decisions out of fear and their growing ability to control with policies that have zero cost-benefit to them. That we’re to just accept that the latest tax or punitive, crippling measure will make the weather gooder. I fear government laws, edits, mandates—whatever you want to call it—that will create artificial shortages in everything from energy, to car parts, to food production, and travel restrictions to assuage unwarranted fears. In short, us becoming Venezuela north. I fear in the not too distant future it'll be too expensive or government will prevent trips to Kelowna so my rug rats can see their grandparents.

Therefore, I fear the climate of fear that is growing in our culture. The fear that someone somewhere will be offended at a joke, or at a different opinion--especially in an age of now mandated speech of what is and isn't acceptable. The best antidote is humour. I’m slowly learning to not give a flying fig at those that get offended. And when it comes to government grabbing more power, boy, that deserves relentless mockery. Criticize away!

l always appreciate those members like yourself that can put it into perspective Mr. DoorMatt, the members that have the knowledge
helps those of us that don’t get into the nooks and cramnies of it all and l appreciate it Kells, yourself Glacé, El Niño man huh sort of.

[AbbyJr]

Mr Sardins, I’ve always appreciated your levity. I think you’ve called me Doormat and Mattressmatt a few times.. The ribbing in banter, even on the receiving end, is good.

I was a kid when “global warming” became the rage, and then it morphed into “climate change.” I came of age in that time. Having three young little rug rats this isn’t even on my radar of things I’m concerned about for them. I don’t think government has let me down compared to my fear we’ve let government get too big—including renting out our critical thinking to an endless Legion of “experts.” I fear people acting out of fear and acquiescing more power to government. Whatever change in climate there is (and I’ve never seen a satisfactory explanation re: teasing out natural from anthropogenic change), I don’t doubt our ability to adapt as we have always done. I fear government standing in the way of that adaptation—making boneheaded decisions out of fear and their growing ability to control with policies that have zero cost-benefit to them. That we’re to just accept that the latest tax or punitive, crippling measure will make the weather gooder. I fear government laws, edits, mandates—whatever you want to call it—that will create artificial shortages in everything from energy, to car parts, to food production, and travel restrictions to assuage unwarranted fears. In short, us becoming Venezuela north. I fear in the not too distant future it'll be too expensive or government will prevent trips to Kelowna so my rug rats can see their grandparents.

Therefore, I fear the climate of fear that is growing in our culture. The fear that someone somewhere will be offended at a joke, or at a different opinion--especially in an age of now mandated speech of what is and isn't acceptable. The best antidote is humour. I’m slowly learning to not give a flying fig at those that get offended. And when it comes to government grabbing more power, boy, that deserves relentless mockery. Criticize away!

Excellent analysis. I agree with you completely. Thanks for being the voice of reason in the midst of ridiculous climate fear.

[Ovonucks]

I just get tired of hearing the same song and dance year after year Kells we just had a couple of refreshing showering days and remember growing up for me drought, wildfires. campfire bans was unheard of.

The problem is people who grew up in a different time always seems to think the world is (or should be) the same as it was back then. It's not. It never will be. We are in a different place now. The way to move forward is for the older generations to understand that instead of wanting a return back to the "good ol' days".

[Ovonucks]

As a younger dude Weedmiester you musk be concerned about the future on a global perspective? same goes for the rest of the youngsters on the forum.
Does anyone feel governments have let you down or am’l being too critical?

I think the generations before mine let me down. That includes the government.
The fact that Exxon knew in the 70s what climate change was capable of and spent years denying it is remarkable (source: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/ ... .%E2%80%9D)

The fact that conservative governments here and abroad are still spreading nonsense about climate change bothers me. My generation is paying for the greed of previous generations. Maybe not my kids, but my grandchildren will be coming in to a very unfortunate world and I'm afraid it's too late for people my age to help make the changes required, particularly because we have politicians all across the world too scared to implement actual real world change.